Showing posts with label Tiger Airways Australia. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Tiger Airways Australia. Show all posts

Tuesday Trip Report: Tiger Wins Battle- Loses War

This is a Trip Report about my first Tiger Airways Australia flight after their recent resumption. Tiger was grounded by CASA, the Australian Air safety agency for six weeks for a number of offences. They only started flying again three weeks ago. Their CEO lost his job over the groundings.

I have previously rated Tiger very poorly and indicated I was not in a hurry to fly them again.

Today's Trip Report:  Tiger Airways TT 618:  17:40h Melbourne to Sydney- which I missed. This is the sixth flight I have ever missed in my life.  This is not bad considering I have had 788 flights! On three occasions, missing the flights was not my fault but I do take responsibility for three!

Seconds, after booking my ticket on Tiger's user unfriendly website, I got my travel confirmation. As a very frequent flyer, I have had a lot of these in the past and I admit I didn't read it.  I filed it in my email and made sure it was entered onto my Tripit (see blog post on this useful travel app which creates your travel itineraries).

Yesterday,  I tried to use online check-in  but discovered  "Tiger Airways Australia's Web Check-in service is temporarily unavailable, as this will allow us to more efficiently process refunds for affected passengers". has shut their while they are rebuilding the airline.

This, of course, meant a check in at the airport. This made me a little nervous because of Tiger's carry on luggage limit. On my fare, my carry on limit was 10kg. Confession Time:  I had one bag at 8kg and one at 5kg which means if they weighed my hand luggage, they may have demanded payment. I don't mind paying- I just hate checking luggage in.

I knew Tiger has a really strict time cut off so I made sure I got to the airport before it.  Unfortunately I discovered on arrival at the airport that their cut off is 45 minutes NOT the thirty minutes I assumed it was. Qantas closes their flights 15 minutes (30 minutes with luggage) before the flight. At Jetstar its 30 minutes and Virgin recommends 30 minutes. Rex is 20 minute cut off in regional centres and 30 minutes in Capital cities. 

I and another gentleman arrived simultaneously 42 minutes before departure (16:58h) to find check in had closed. 3 minutes prior! 

The supervisor was unmoved: “on your ticket confirmation it says 45 minutes. Since the grounding we have to be very careful"

I said to him “45 minutes is not a CASA requirement
He said:  "Its our system. It closes automatically and I can't get back into the system. We need that long to process things."

I said “thats not a friendly system!” How many empty seats have you got on the flight?
He said “A lot, but I can't get you on

The other passenger,  a young student was close to tears:  "I have to be in Sydney tonight"

Our Tiger guy said: "there are no more flights tonight, For 85 dollars I can get you on the first flight tomorrow."

Annoyed, I pulled the painful passenger attitude:  "For 109 dollars I can get a flight to Sydney with Virgin now."

He shrugged. I should know better than to argue with an agent in this situation. You cannot win but I tried: “I fly 120 times a year. You can either get me on this flight now or I promise you I will never fly tiger again
He looked at me and said “if you had been here on time, I could have.  Check in opened two hours before departure

I said:  "I obviously wasn't here, two hours before departure. So that comment isn't helpful. Good Bye. You have lost me Tiger."

I wheeled my bag to the Virgin Australia terminal next door and booked a $109 flight on my computer. I then checked in and was on the 18:15h flight which departed 35 minutes after my original flight.

Tiger Melbourne opening
I understand strict cut offs for check in. I acknowledge I need to check my travel confirmation more closely. Today, however, Tiger could have done better. Why could some allowance have not been made for the following reasons:
  • there were only  two passengers affected- in an empty check in area
  • it was a mere three minutes after check in has closed
  • both passengers were unaware of the 45 minute check in rule
  • Tiger have a need to rebuild a brand in Australia
If they had given me a polite warning about their strict check in policy and allowed me on, this would have resulted in:
  1. the young student and I getting to our destination
  2. less stress for us (and staff?) 
  3. taking up less time than the argument with the supervisor
  4. potentially keeping me as a customer (slim chance I know!)
  5. turning this blog into a more pedestrian Trip Report of a Melbourne-Sydney flight with Tiger Airways Australia
They may have won this battle but now? Nothing will get me back on Tiger's crowded uncomfortable planes flying out of tacky cheap terminals! Their demise wont be missed a lot, I am sorry. 

For the record, my other missed flights have been:

1992
Qantas: Adelaide to Melbourne
I misread my paper ticket and arrived after the plane had left. Qantas put me onto the next flight.

2002
American Airlines: St Louis to Philadelphia
In the midst of the obsessive post 2001 obsession over security, I was scheduled to be processed for a special security check, The check took so long due to a shortage of staff, that I missed my flight even though I was checked in and in the airport. I talked myself onto the next flight

2010
United Airlines: Oklahoma City to Dallas
To be honest, I chose to be late to the airport for Social reasons! United put me on the next flight.

2004 and 2011
Southwest Airlines: Los Angeles
I missed my connections because my planes out of Australia were delayed- fog in 2004 and a failed engine in 2011. Southwest moved me onto next available flight.

Tiger still downed

Tiger Airways Australia remains grounded having thought they might start flying again soon.


The Civil Aviation Safety Authority and Tiger have a Federal Court hearing on August 11

Must be costing them a fortune?

Tiger Update

Tiger Australia is still grounded....looks like until August. Crikey says why

The Unsafe Tiger

I have been critical about the "budget" carrier Tiger Airways Australia which can be likened to a bus with wings as noted in my previous blog about them.

Seems the bus is not safe.

On Saturday July 2, 2011 Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) grounded Tiger after the airline's planes twice breached lowest safe altitudes.

This grounding came after they had given the carrier a warning in March saying Tiger needed to "improve the proficiency of Tiger Airways Australia’s pilots, improvements to pilot training and checking processes, changes to fatigue management, improvements to maintenance control and ongoing airworthiness systems and ensuring appropriately qualified people fill management and operational positions."

Tiger is rejecting any concerns they are unsafe (would nt you?) with CEO Tony Davis expressing regret over the decision (pictured right)

The grounding is a disaster for the airline which has not made money since setting up shop in Australia. The last grounding we had was of Ansett's 767 fleet and that was one of then final straws for them.  Unlike Ansett, I won't mourn Tiger but yet again we are going back to the two airline situation we have always had in Australia. The names have changed but the structure is similar. Qantas and Virgin instead of Qantas and Ansett or before that Trans Australia Airlines (TAA)  and Ansett-ANA or before that Ansett and Australia National Airways.

The difference is Qantas now has two segments of the market with its budget Jetstar subsidiary and the more corporate focussed mainline Qantas.

Some questions:
1. Will Tiger survive?
2. Virgin Australia continues to lose money-how long will they sustain that for?
3, Will Qantas hang onto its premium passengers or lose some to Virgin concerned at the Jetsar -isation of the mainline carrier?


As for me, I am taking the train to Adelaide next week.


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Flying Tiger

The Tripit (see previous blog) report said it all: TT8033 ON TIME. MEL dep 08:45 term 4. ADL arr 09:35.

TT = Is Tiger Airways, Australia's newest airline.  Established in Sigapore in 2003, they came to Australia in 2007.  Today was my first time flying them (and probably my last time!).


Booking a flight and  paying for it on Tiger is very straightforward except that everything is an extra charge! I have previously expressed my dissatisfaction with this aspect of the company. For example, Tiger passengers pay a fee for every seat which ranges from $8 to $30. They also pay extra for baggage. I chose to take none. My "cheap fare for  Melbourne to Adelaide was only six dollars less than Qantas!

Being baggage less I didn't need to check in at the airport. I usually try to check in on-line anyway but Tiger gives an incentive as they charge $10 for airport check in! Found Tiger's online check-in to be very straight forward.  When I got to the terminal "shed" (literally) for my flight, I was doubly glad I had done on-line as the check in lines were long. I ignored them heading straight to the gate and discovered Tiger has an extra hurdle in that a staff member is waiting to weigh hand luggage as Tiger operates a strict 7kg/15lbs carry on policy. Anything over that has to be checked in for a fee of $55 (prepay for your luggage and its much less). But be warned!

Security at Tiger is one of the most unpleasant airline security set ups I have ever encountered in Australia. One example, att the entrance of the Tiger Terminal is a coffee shop which on today's winter's morning was doing brisk trade. At security, however, the Security Officer was officiously and nastily forcing everyone with a hot coffee to throw it away or drink it before coming through. While the action may be fair enough, the way it was done was appalling.


The  Tiger waiting area in Melbourne is cramped and unattractive. If you were delayed for several hours, you would get very bored of the Boost juice outlet, Coffee shop and newsagency.  There are better shops in the Qantas and old Ansett (now Virgin) terminals.  I did note that many of the waiting passengers were clearly people who did not fly much. In fact many seem to have never flown at all so Tiger are obviously succeeding in getting people to consider flying as an option.

Soon  "Boarding" for the Adelaide flight appeared on the TV monitors (see picture under departures, second flight down). When this appeared, a number of us walked up to Gate 3. When we got there, however, we were told to go back to the waiting area. The boarding announcement came ten minutes later. The boarding line was far from orderly with people cutting in from every direction
Boarding Passes were checked by a very causal looking person who did not appear to be dressed in any sort of uniform! From gate to plane was a very long walk. This has been a consistent complaint with the Tiger arrangements.


 
The airline operates a single-model fleet. All of their planes are Airbus A320s with eating for 180 passengers. They are only one class: Economy.  The seat pitch (distance from the front of the seat in one row to the front of the seat in the next row) is approximately 72.5 cm (28.5 inches) for standard rows and 97.5 cm for the exit row (Qantas and Virgin Blue give an extra 7cm+) so I was very glad I had grabbed a $30 exit row seat  even on this short haul.

Boarding is from the tarmac with passengers directed to one of two doors depending in seating. I boarded at the front door where I got a warm welcome from the Flight attendant checking Boarding passes. Tiger allocates seats- some discount carriers its a free for all.  

We departed ten minutes behind schedule with a fully full flight consisting of many football fans. The Pilots sounded competent and reassuring. Safety briefing was done thoroughly and properly. 


There is of course no meal service on Tiger and any snacks and drinks must be paid for with a debit card.


We landed slightly ahead of schedule in what was one of the most beautiful landings I have ever had. 
Overall I gave them 3.5 out of 5 until the highly professional landing which got them to 4 out of 5! If I had checked in luggage, I suspect this would have made the experience a 3! If anything went wrong, then I would not have had a good time at all.

A friend described a Tiger flight is like a bus-ride.  The trouble is, I generally hate buses! I wont be back. Click here for my list of worst airlines I have flown. Click here for my current top airlines.

Trying Tiger

Just booked myself on a Tiger Airways flight from Melbourne to Adelaide next week. I saved a mere $6 off Qantas but I want the experience as Tiger will be my 66th airline I have flown on!

Have you flown them yet?